Civil War series discussion (spoilers)

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compound said:
I have a question -- what is the status of PULSE (the fictional Bugle supplement, not the cancelled series itself)?

I ask this because I'm baffled why Kat Farrell is not being used as the protagonist for Frontline, since she's such an obvious choice for the role. Or Urich, for that matter.

I think Urich is one of the two reporters in Civil War: Frontline. Paul Jenkins didnt want to use Kat Farrell because he'd already invented his own character, and I THINK she works for another newspaper - the idea was: one reporter from a "pro-reg" newspaper and one reporter from an "anti-reg" newspaper, each covering the paper's POV.

Pretty sure there will be a Pulse Civil War newspaper just the way there was a Pulse House of M issue.
 
Meh.

MWof said:
Forgot to ask this but my cousin and myself were wondering about the "Philadelphia incident". Which comic? What happened

Captain America. Winter Soldier did it. Can't remember why.
 
TheManWithoutFear said:
Damnit I need to get that trade.

You really have no idea........its better than Daredevil.

Rhyo said:
I think Urich is one of the two reporters in Civil War: Frontline. Paul Jenkins didnt want to use Kat Farrell because he'd already invented his own character, and I THINK she works for another newspaper - the idea was: one reporter from a "pro-reg" newspaper and one reporter from an "anti-reg" newspaper, each covering the paper's POV.

Pretty sure there will be a Pulse Civil War newspaper just the way there was a Pulse House of M issue.

She's the girl from Generation M

Victor Von Doom said:
I don't think it was ever explained. Even in the story leading up to the Winter Soldier arc. But then again I can't remember too clearly either.

Lukin did it to bait them into invading his minin-state I *think*.
 
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My favourite part of the book was the beginning. The New Warriors rock. I want a new series with art by McNiven. Did anyone pick up that New Warriors mini that was by Zeb Wells?
 
But if you can read people, it really wouldn't have to be told what Starks intentions are. You can tell what his intentions are b/c of who he is. But that could also be b/c I've read tie-ins. You make many really good/interesting points and I hate how every crossover tries to push everyone into one panel. X-men, in my opinion, are a bit out of place in this scene. And you'd expect to at least see emma and beast. Couple of things wrong but it was a great issue.




SORRY THIS REPLY IS A LITTLE LATE. I WAS COMMENTING ON WHAT BASS SAID
 
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"The straw on the camel's back," was mentioned twice in one issue. "Daredevil" said it, and someone else said it before him.

A clue?
 
ProjectX2 said:
"The straw on the camel's back," was mentioned twice in one issue. "Daredevil" said it, and someone else said it before him.

A clue?

i just picked up the ish today, and finished reading it minutes ago. goliath and daredevil both said it...probably not a clue, but it'd be a nice touch if it was. i think it was just reiterating the whole magnitude of what happened, and america isn't gonna take it anymore.

i'd rather not have some single person orchestrating any of this. i think events are just unfolding naturally.

the art was a lot better than i thought it was going to be. (for some reason i was expecting something sub par) but it was wicked. and this cap is just as bad *** as ultimate cap. pure wickedness.

i thought it woulda been harder to choose a side, but they're really making iron man look like a dick.

so, **** the registration!
 
This is who I think is for/against it:

FOR: Sue, Reed Richards, Thing, Iron Man, Hank Pym, Ms. Marvel, Bishop, Emma, Spiderwoman, She-Hulk.

AGAINST: Cap, Wolverine, Cyclops, Strange, Torch, YA, Falcon, Fury, Cage, Janet Pym, DD....

What do you guys think?
 
Ice said:
Sue is against it. It was already mentioned she was going to be against it.

Not so far she isn't. (Yes, I've read the future spoilers, too.) I suspect that there is a timing issue in Civil War, and that by the scene in the Baxter Building she doesn't know about the attack on Johnny, even though it's implied that it's already happened and been on the news.
 
Thanks but that wasn't what I wanted to know. B/c we know IM and RR are against it. So what, I want to know if you agree/disagree, who I should include and why?
 
ProjectX2 said:
Besides, when have they ever been wrong before? :D

NEVER. :neutral:


I'm required by law to say that....


Ice said:
I will always be against the registration.

I'm actually for both.

I agree that it would be greatly beneficial for a lot of these young kids with powers to get some kinda training. It's what makes all the difference in combat. Along with training comes education. Crisis management, triage tactics, collateral damage evals, etc. They need the proper training to be able to make the big calls.

But I disagree with the full registration. I mean having a file on hand of the superhero and his powers, education level, training and such is helpful......but leave out the secret identity. Hypothetically speaking of course, I mean how safe is Spidey's family if the villains find out who he is? Of course it's easy for Sue to favor disclosure....everyone in her family has powers.

To me it's all about the compromise. They need the training....but if they wanna remain private...let them.
 
J. Agamemnon said:
This is who I think is for/against it:

FOR: Sue, Reed Richards, Thing, Iron Man, Hank Pym, Ms. Marvel, Bishop, Emma, Spiderwoman, She-Hulk.

AGAINST: Cap, Wolverine, Cyclops, Strange, Torch, YA, Falcon, Fury, Cage, Janet Pym, DD....

What do you guys think?


That seems about right for now. Put Spider-man on the against side. Of course, as we all know, these lines will change in this way:

For: Add Spider-"I-love-you-tony-because-you-give-me-stuff"-Man.

Against: Add Sue, Thing, after they find out Johnny got pulped. Jen Walters. (is that she-hulks non hulk name?)

And I remember readint that thign that said the original x-men team would be split. Here is how I see it--

For:

Warren - not his problem anymore, so time to be a heartless business man

Hank - Smart-guy, and it seems all the science-y smart guys are going to the pro side

Against:

Cyclops - What would Xavier want. (In the end, Cyclops might know better than Xavier)

Iceman - He's the young heart and soul type, so I think he'd go against. Also, the editors hate him, so they'd just use him to balance out numbers.
 
Victor Von Doom said:
To me it's all about the compromise. They need the training....but if they wanna remain private...let them.

For people like Spiderman, I disagree, YA, totally agree.

Reason being b/c Spiderman shouldn't have to be registered if he's proven himself time and again. Plus Fury has files on most of the veterans. He even has one on Sentry. YA now just seems like new warriors waiting to happen. They need to get some training under their belt. Once they do, they should be able to decide whether or not they wanna work for the gov't. Also, I don't understand why the pyms are there. I thought hank Pym went to europe to teach. Why do U.S. affairs apply to him?
 
Iceman will be against. In the 198 'handbook', they have him down as one of the first mutants to retaliate in situations like these where the gov't is involved.

But as it was said in Wizard, we will find out what the original X-Men think and what goes on with them (minus Jean, of course, and that does inculde Warren) in their Civil War mini.
 
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I was about to launch into a tyraid of how the metaphor just doesn't work, but I stopped and spared all of you who get ill when the scroll down to ignore long posts. :wink:

One thing of note - I know the metaphor is supposed to be about the current political climate of 5 years ago in reference to the Patriot act and all this "civil liberties or national safety" dilemma... but here's what I thought was a cool metaphor for the series -

The superheroes of Marvel Manhattan are seen as a danger to children.

The superheroes are openly attacked, both verbally and physically, in the streets by civilians.

The government threatens to regulate or completely end superheroes as a concept.

Some of the superheroes decide to continue as they have always been and face the consequences.

Others champion a form of their own form of self-regulation in order to curb public unrest.

Now I don't know about you - but this is a perfect metaphor for what happened to the entire US comics industry in the 1950s.

Just look:

The comics of the US, due to Frederick Wertham's book, The Seduction of the Innocent, are seen as a danger to children.

The US comics are openly attack verbally, and physically burned in the streets by civilians.

The political climate threatens to ban the comic book medium in its entirety.

Other companies create a form of self-regulation called the Comics Code in order to curb public unrest and allow them to be produced without government interference.

Sadly, this code kills off certain companies such as all the horror and crime companies, which, some may say suspiciously, were the top-selling comics at the time.

See what I mean?

I think that would've been fascinating when you consider that Marvel was the first major comics company to scrap the Comics Code in its entirity. I'm aware several independent comics and even DC Vertigo's line were all unapproved by the Comics Code, but Marvel were the first major, mainstream company to abandon it on all of their titles. A big move.

Plus, if you look at the sides, Captain America, a metaphorical icon representing the crime and horror comics built out of World War II in the 40s, and the only real Marvel superhero still left from the era of a non-Comics Code comics industry, makes perfect sense as the anti-registration/Comics Code figure head, a man who fought for his freedom more so than any of his contemporaries. While Mr Fantastic, the leader of the Fantastic Four and the first main character of superhero comics in the 60s when the current era of Marvel comics began post-Comics Code, is a perfect metaphorical figurehead for the pro-registration/Comics Code, a man who's entire career is about making a family work together whilst being berated by the public. And instead of Reed trying to acquiesce to the US government, he'd been saying, "We'll create our own internal system for cataloguing superheroes, which the government can view at any time" therefore creating a middle ground between the two sides, eventually having it implimented, with Captain America's side being utterly removed from the superhero world - or if one wanted to change history, have another resolution to the story.

Anyhow... this is just me thinking about stuff. It popped in my head when I read the last page of the first issue for the first time, I think. Thought I'd share it with you. Consider it a rumination, or a rant, whatever's your poison.
 
Bass said:
I was about to launch into a tyraid of how the metaphor just doesn't work, but I stopped and spared all of you who get ill when the scroll down to ignore long posts. :wink:

One thing of note - I know the metaphor is supposed to be about the current political climate of 5 years ago in reference to the Patriot act and all this "civil liberties or national safety" dilemma... but here's what I thought was a cool metaphor for the series -

The superheroes of Marvel Manhattan are seen as a danger to children.

The superheroes are openly attacked, both verbally and physically, in the streets by civilians.

The government threatens to regulate or completely end superheroes as a concept.

Some of the superheroes decide to continue as they have always been and face the consequences.

Others champion a form of their own form of self-regulation in order to curb public unrest.

Now I don't know about you - but this is a perfect metaphor for what happened to the entire US comics industry in the 1950s.

Just look:

The comics of the US, due to Frederick Wertham's book, The Seduction of the Innocent, are seen as a danger to children.

The US comics are openly attack verbally, and physically burned in the streets by civilians.

The political climate threatens to ban the comic book medium in its entirety.

Other companies create a form of self-regulation called the Comics Code in order to curb public unrest and allow them to be produced without government interference.

Sadly, this code kills off certain companies such as all the horror and crime companies, which, some may say suspiciously, were the top-selling comics at the time.

See what I mean?

I think that would've been fascinating when you consider that Marvel was the first major comics company to scrap the Comics Code in its entirity. I'm aware several independent comics and even DC Vertigo's line were all unapproved by the Comics Code, but Marvel were the first major, mainstream company to abandon it on all of their titles. A big move.

Plus, if you look at the sides, Captain America, a metaphorical icon representing the crime and horror comics built out of World War II in the 40s, and the only real Marvel superhero still left from the era of a non-Comics Code comics industry, makes perfect sense as the anti-registration/Comics Code figure head, a man who fought for his freedom more so than any of his contemporaries. While Mr Fantastic, the leader of the Fantastic Four and the first main character of superhero comics in the 60s when the current era of Marvel comics began post-Comics Code, is a perfect metaphorical figurehead for the pro-registration/Comics Code, a man who's entire career is about making a family work together whilst being berated by the public. And instead of Reed trying to acquiesce to the US government, he'd been saying, "We'll create our own internal system for cataloguing superheroes, which the government can view at any time" therefore creating a middle ground between the two sides, eventually having it implimented, with Captain America's side being utterly removed from the superhero world - or if one wanted to change history, have another resolution to the story.

Anyhow... this is just me thinking about stuff. It popped in my head when I read the last page of the first issue for the first time, I think. Thought I'd share it with you. Consider it a rumination, or a rant, whatever's your poison.

Post of the day.

Brilliant.
 

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