Secret Invasion discussion [Spoilers]

[Victor Von Doom]

Re: Secret Invasion discussion (possible Spoilers)

How about pertaining to Cap? You think they would use it to bring him back some way or am I just being a fanboy?

Maybe that's what the NA/Invaders is for.

It's possible.

To be honest, it would be a logical way of bringing him back. He dies in the aftermath of last year's big event...only to return in the next big event.


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I honestly would have no problem with that. Even though I like the fact that Bucky is the new one.

 

[J. Agamemnon]

Re: Secret Invasion discussion (possible Spoilers)

It's possible.

To be honest, it would be a logical way of bringing him back. He dies in the aftermath of last year's big event...only to return in the next big event.


Capt America series spoiler below...

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I honestly would have no problem with that. Even though I like the fact that Bucky is the new one.

My main itch with his death was the fact there was hints that he had implosive anger issues. It was mentioned early on in the series where he took out a number of terrorists on top of a subway train (I think). That little dangling plot line always interested me as he never really dealt with his anger issues and just kept everything inside. Even during Secret War, there were subtle hints whereas Wolverine went bat**** and briefly died, Cap reserved his judgement but still wanted to knock Fury in the mouth. That's about as far back as I remember it being mentioned anyway.

That could have made for a real good story, but even if you brought him back now, it's like getting a brand new Cap so it wouldn't exactly be the same.

Anway, I'm surprised it's getting such good reception. i was expecting the first issue to be crap.

 

[Void.M]

Re: Secret Invasion discussion (possible Spoilers)

It's possible.

To be honest, it would be a logical way of bringing him back. He dies in the aftermath of last year's big event...only to return in the next big event.


Capt America series spoiler below...

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I honestly would have no problem with that. Even though I like the fact that Bucky is the new one.

I doubt Bendis would screw with Bru though.

 

[Dr.Strangefate]

Re: Secret Invasion discussion (possible Spoilers)

I doubt Bendis would screw with Bru though.

Or that Brubaker would let Bendis bring cap back in a diff book.

 

[E]

Re: Secret Invasion discussion (possible Spoilers)

Or that Brubaker would let Bendis bring cap back in a diff book.

Right.

Good thoughts and observations though, J.

I'm trying to figure out how Fury going "off the grid" plays into this. It doesn't seem like Maria Hill is a Skrull after the first Invasion issue. Could he be? That would be major if he was and he orchestrated Bucky becoming the new Cap. And how that fits with what Red Skull was doing (since it doesn't seem like he was expecting Bucky to become Cap)...hmmmm.

 

[ProjectX2]

The former heroes returning aren't necessarily the real deal... :twisted:

 

[Dancanread]

The former heroes returning aren't necessarily the real deal... :twisted:

Yup. Bendis says in this article that not everyone is even aware they're a skrull. So there could be a mix of real and fake heroes from the ship as well as that have been here.

Anyway, loved it. Love the story. Very excited to see the rest. That last page was a great "oh s***" moment.

 

[J. Agamemnon]

Another thing that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me is how Doom would be so willing to help Red Skull out with his plans. THe only thing that would make sense at this point is if Doom himself is a Skrull. I only say that b/c I find it hard to believe Doom would consort with a Nazi and the fact that it seems he works off a quid pro quo mentality. Did Skull ever do anything for Doom?

 

[thee great one]

I want to like it, but so much scares me.

 

[Zombipanda]

Ugh... Am I the only one who didn't like this? It's like, even if the plot were interesting, Bendis' voice as a writer would just be too frustrating to make me like it. It really made the whole thing terribly unenjoyable.

As for the shocking twists? Eh... Throw as many twists at me as you want. It doesn't make it a good story.

 

[E]

Did Skull ever do anything for Doom?

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Skull has Doom's time machine and is attempted to reverse engineer it.

I don't recall if it was said how he got it or what the terms were, but it's like 9:30 in the morning....anyone?

And Proj I was hoping for a little more than that from you - you were pretty against the whole thing based on the Marvel mole spoilers.

 

[ProjectX2]

It was alright, but I'm just not that interested in it. I don't care about the Skrulls, I don't care about big events, I don't care about whatever else is happening.

 

[E]

This is a good read...

After months of build-up and anticipation, Marvel Comics' "Secret Invasion" #1 is finally in stores. The kickoff issue to the long awaited event has answered some burning questions, but also left fans with a whole set of new ones.

In an effort to help answer those questions, CBR News kick off SPOILERS OF WAR, new monthly feature (inspired by Augie De Blieck Jr's feature THE COMMENTARY TRACK), in which we speak in-depth with writer Brian Michael Bendis about "Secret Invasion" on a page-by-page basis as the series rolls out.

Today, we look at issue #1.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=15850

 

[Ice]

It was alright, but I'm just not that interested in it. I don't care about the Skrulls, I don't care about big events, I don't care about whatever else is happening.

The old Proj. is back! :lol:





Also, I thought this was great. It was all enjoyable and Yu has upped his game some artwise for sure. Can't wait to see how it builds from here. I'm sure Susan has been a Skrull since in th FF:SI tie-in it says one of the F4 is a Skrull and the person on the cover wasn't shown (since SI #1 wasn't out yet).

 

[J. Agamemnon]

This really looks good, surprisingly. Still, I think i might trade wait this.

 

[ProjectX2]

I don't think Sue is a Skrull. It was just one disguised as her to access the Negative Zone weapon thing in the Baxter Building.

 

[Ice]

Here's the thing.

Avengers: Disassembled- When Vision was ripped in half by She-Hulk, it was all machine. And now we have another Vision coming out of the ship. So is this Vision a Skrull?

I don't think Sue is a Skrull. It was just one disguised as her to access the Negative Zone weapon thing in the Baxter Building.

That's true. If it was Sue all along, there'd been no need to come back as someone else to then shift into Sue. Still, I wonder...

 

[ProjectX2]

That's true. If it was Sue all along, there'd been no need to come back as someone else to then shift into Sue. Still, I wonder...

Both Bendis and the spoilers have confirmed that Sue was not a Skrull and that this one has only just recently taken over.

 

[J. Agamemnon]

Here's the thing.

Avengers: Disassembled- When Vision was ripped in half by She-Hulk, it was all machine. And now we have another Vision coming out of the ship. So is this Vision a Skrull?


That's true. If it was Sue all along, there'd been no need to come back as someone else to then shift into Sue. Still, I wonder...

Vision makes me wonder. The original was machine and then recreated and made a Young Avenger. that had to be the original one. Also with Phoneix Endsong. She didn't turn into a Skrull. that we know anyway. Also I have a feeling the whole, "you only know i they're a skrull if you kill them" rule will no longer apply (besides revealing themselves).

Also, the newly arrived team has gotta be fake. The fact they have Power Man suited Cage is a misdirection. but bendis is trying to make you confused as to who is real.

if you think back though, the Illuminati's encounter with the Skrull was years back, even in marvel continuity. So all the info they gathered on the heroes may or may not be a little dated. Just a theory.

 

[Ice]

Vision makes me wonder. The original was machine and then recreated and made a Young Avenger. that had to be the original one. Also with Phoneix Endsong. She didn't turn into a Skrull. that we know anyway. Also I have a feeling the whole, "you only know i they're a skrull if you kill them" rule will no longer apply (besides revealing themselves).

Also, the newly arrived team has gotta be fake. The fact they have Power Man suited Cage is a misdirection. but bendis is trying to make you confused as to who is real.

if you think back though, the Illuminati's encounter with the Skrull was years back, even in marvel continuity. So all the info they gathered on the heroes may or may not be a little dated. Just a theory.

Well, they're all dressed in their 70's classic look minus Wonderman, who just happened to be wearing the same clothes as current Wonderman minus the gold chain. Whatever. They both still don't count.


Also, I dont think 70's Wolverine is the real one. He has to be Skrull. I mean, they did Wolverine was a Skrull before, I doubt the NA Wolverine would be the Skrull one.

 

[Bass]

I found this very poorly written. There's some really great stuff in this story, but Bendis isn't very good at executing it - but kudos to him, it really is a good idea. A very exhilarating one.

The art is terrific.

 

[Ice]

I found this very poorly written.

Shocking!

 

[Bass]

:shifty:

 

[Ultimate Houde]

It was poorly written, all it had going for it was one shock twist after another. Anyone can do that well enough.

It would be interesting to see if it stays that way for awhile now.

 

[Ice]

It was poorly written, all it had going for it was one shock twist after another. Anyone can do that well enough.

It would be interesting to see if it stays that way for awhile now.

Shocking!


Also, from CBR's "Spoiler of War: Secret Invasion #1 article:

Astute CBR readers in the "Secret Invasion" discussion thread on the CBR Forums picked up on something that had changed in the final publication of "Secret Invasion" #1. Originally, we included a look at the last page of "Secret Invasion" #1 which included a four panel sequence that showed the Hank Skrull infiltrator touching the forehead of the Elektra Skrull. Except, the published panel didn't include that moment. Have a look at the following image for the before/after comparison.

With speculation running high regarding the change, CBR News spoke with "Secret Invasion" writer Brian Bendis to see what the true reasons for the change are. Is this a Skrull conspiracy or something a bit less sinister?

"I made some tweaks to the scenes at various stages including rearranging a couple of scenes at the end for maximum effect," Bendis told CBR News Friday afternoon. "Originally the armada page was going to be the final page, but we all decided Hank and Reed should be. That beat with Elektra Skrull at the end became confusing and unnecessary at that point. It could be read as something other than what it is, so we left it on 'the cutting room floor.' But it was still attached to the preview copy that went out. Basically everyone thought I was done picking, but I wasn't. I'm a picker."

 

[Bass]

That's interesting.

 

[Ice]

From LitG:


ITEM! How to you treat for a seizure? The recommended procedure says, "Do not touch the person's mouth or put anything in it, including water or medicine used to treat seizures, as it may cause the person to choke. People having seizures cannot swallow their tongues, despite popular belief."

In "Secret Invasion" #1, Ms. Marvel says about Tony Stark, "He's having a seizure. Give me a branch. Something to bite on."

Evil, evil Ms Marvel...


Ms. Marvel is a Skrull! :lol:

 

[Ultimate Houde]

Please, like Bendis would research that first.

 

[J. Agamemnon]

The article even states it's a common misconception. If anything, she's being an ignorant human.

 

[Ice]