Secret Invasion discussion [Spoilers]

[Joe Kalicki]

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"Dead is dead" is a retarded rule anyway. It's a waste of perfectly good characters just to kill them off and be done with them. The death still means something when it happens because it's important to the character who doesn't know he'll be back and the character's friends and family who don't know he'll be back and the fans who know he'll be back but don't know when. If a character's dead for a few years that's a few years you don't get to read about him and that's a pretty good penalty for a fictional character being "dead."

 

[Ice]

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"Dead is dead" is a retarded rule anyway. It's a waste of perfectly good characters just to kill them off and be done with them. The death still means something when it happens because it's important to the character who doesn't know he'll be back and the character's friends and family who don't know he'll be back and the fans who know he'll be back but don't know when. If a character's dead for a few years that's a few years you don't get to read about him and that's a pretty good penalty for a fictional character being "dead."

Well said.

 

[Zombipanda]

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"Dead is dead" is a retarded rule anyway. It's a waste of perfectly good characters just to kill them off and be done with them. The death still means something when it happens because it's important to the character who doesn't know he'll be back and the character's friends and family who don't know he'll be back and the fans who know he'll be back but don't know when. If a character's dead for a few years that's a few years you don't get to read about him and that's a pretty good penalty for a fictional character being "dead."

"Dead" means "penalty box".

 

[E]

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"Dead is dead" is a retarded rule anyway.

I agree, but my point isn't that it's a good or bad rule, it's that you shouldn't act like you have the stones to make the rule if you don't have the stones to back up your decision.

 

[Joe Kalicki]

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I agree, but my point isn't that it's a good or bad rule, it's that you shouldn't act like you have the stones to make the rule if you don't have the stones to back up your decision.

To be fair, I haven't heard "dead is dead" since the Jemas days.

 

[Ice]

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To be fair, I haven't heard "dead is dead" since the Jemas days.

Joe Q. has tried to use that a few times, but then Tom Brevoort would just go (half-jokingly) "Dead means dormant."

 

[Zombipanda]

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I agree, but my point isn't that it's a good or bad rule, it's that you shouldn't act like you have the stones to make the rule if you don't have the stones to back up your decision.

Exactly. See Winter Soldier vs. Red Hood.

 

[Joe Kalicki]

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Joe Q. has tried to use that a few times, but then Tom Brevoort would just go (half-jokingly) "Dead means dormant."

That's because Brevoort is the best editor at either company right now.

 

[Ice]

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That's because Brevoort is the best editor at either company right now.

I agree. He really makes sure everyone makes sure they have what they need. I mean, he sure as hell made sure Bendis read ALL the previous Skrull stories. And when this guy gets pissed, he gets pissed!!

Back in WWP 06, he was having a swearing storm just because someone was late for the Marvel Trivia Panel with the prizes.

 

[Joe Kalicki]

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I agree. He really makes sure everyone makes sure they have what they need. I mean, he sure as hel made sure Bendis read ALL the previous Skrull stories. And when this guy gets pissed, he gets pissed!!

Back in WWP 06, he was having a swearing storm just because someone was late for the Marvel Trivia Panel with the prizes.

I did that a couple years ago. I won the first She-Hulk trade and the Blood of Apocalypse trade.

Pretty much it would be hard to beat me at Marvel trivia.

 

[thee great one]

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I have no problem with bringing back a character.


But I remember reading somewhere that Marvel has a saying "that the resurrection must top the death story."


Colossus was a perfect example.

 

[Random]

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I feel that if you don't want to lose the ability to use a character, don't kill them. I feel there are many other way to write similar story without killing off a character

 

[TwilightEL]

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I feel that if you don't want to lose the ability to use a character, don't kill them. I feel there are many other way to write similar story without killing off a character

Exactly. Just look at Barbara Gordon. Instead of killing her, she was changed forever and it was good for her character. Oracle rules. All it takes is creativity and good writing OH WAIT.

 

[Dancanread]

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Kinda cool trailer/webisode thingy.

Secret Invasion Webisode

Spoilers for Illuminati 5 and NA 39.

 

[MaxwellSmart]

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The ten page preview was nice. I thought it was pretty well written overall.

 

[Void.M]

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I feel that if you don't want to lose the ability to use a character, don't kill them. I feel there are many other way to write similar story without killing off a character

But murder is fun and more violent.

 

[ProjectX2]

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That 10 page preview fits with the spoilers that were posted on Marvel Boy's blog. This is not a good thing.

 

[Ice]

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Since when did Dugan speak like he's from the South?

 

[Ultimate Houde]

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Since he was a Skrull.

I'm not pysched for this storyline at all.

 

[ProjectX2]

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Dugan is a Skrull. It was shown in the Secret Invasion prologue.

Skrull spoiler for Secret Invasion #1:

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Hank Pym is another. He shoots Reed Richards in the head.

 

[Void.M]

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Dugan is a Skrull. It was shown in the Secret Invasion prologue.

Skrull spoiler for Secret Invasion #1:

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Hank Pym is another. He shoots Reed Richards in the head.

I guess that means

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Pym is the skrull in the Initiative

 

[Ice]

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I guess that means

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Pym is the skrull in the Initiative

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Then the cover for June's Initiative isn't a red herring then.

 

[Victor Von Doom]

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#1 was the comic book equivelant to the first 15 minutes of Michael Bay's Armageddon.

Seriously.

We start off with everyone going about their normal lives (or about as normal as a superhero's life is gonna be), and then everything goes to ****.

And then it's one big surprise after the other and more questions upon more questions. And then there's that final double-page splash of the Savage Land.


God**** Power Man! Why won't you let Power Man rest in peace Bendis!?!?!?!?





But to be honest---without going into spoilers just yet......I actually loved every single moment of it. Ignoring what constitutes as good writing, solid mystery storytelling and all the other gripes we sling about---it was totally entertaining. And I can't wait to see how this plays out.

And Yu's art has really never looked better. All thru the "Trust" saga of New Avengers, his art was good but his stuff has always seeemed like it was just sketches. But here, everything is more defined all while toning down the smaller details he's known for. And Laura Martin's colors were just perfect. So vivid.

So right now, this has potential to be the big blockbuster in the likes of Transformers, which everyone loved..........or Pearl Harbor, which nobody really likes.


Right now.... 4/5. Far from perfect....but a damn good start.

 

[Ultimate Houde]

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The Power Man page scares me.

It gives the Marvel universe the ability to retcon the past 20 years in every comic if it wanted too.

 

[J. Agamemnon]

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The Power Man page scares me.

It gives the Marvel universe the ability to retcon the past 20 years in every comic if it wanted too.

I hope that applies to One More Day.

 

[Victor Von Doom]

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I hope that applies to One More Day.

The reprecussions of them retconning a retcon so soon would be disastrous for the title.

 

[Dr.Strangefate]

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I am nervous about the ramifications of all this, but overall it was decently written and a good start to something I sincerely hope gets a lot better later on.

 

[E]

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LOVED IT.

I know it's not kewl to like a super mega summer cross over but this is the first comic I've read in a long time where I was excited to turn each page like this. I had no idea.

So we've got Dum Dum, Jarvis, Hank Pym, and *maybe* Susan Richards (I thought it was ambiguous; it could have been a new temporary replacement).

I can't believe it had me on the edge of my seat like it did. Great stuff.

Yu's art looked very different. Doom is right - much more vivid, less "sketchy". I like his "sketchy" art but this really did look good.

I have to read it again.

 

[Ultimate Houde]

Jarvis and Spiderwoman (maybe) as well

 

[J. Agamemnon]

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The reprecussions of them retconning a retcon so soon would be disastrous for the title.

How about pertaining to Cap? You think they would use it to bring him back some way or am I just being a fanboy?

Maybe that's what the NA/Invaders is for.